Hello and welcome to the TIFO football podcast.

I'm Joe Devine.

And today I'm delighted to be joined by John McKenzie.

Hello.

How do you decide which one you go with first?

Because I sometimes see you just like looking around the room and then you make up...

Well, it's written here.

You go on the order always.

Sometimes I like to go guest last. And then beyond that, I like to go from left to right in a sort of clockwise fashion. Do you know what I mean? But we're jumping, we're jumping the shark here. Is it the shark or the gun were jumping? Yeah, I think you can jump both. Jumping the shark was the Happy Days reference, right? Was it was the point where like happy days became ridiculous because Fons is riding a shark or something. So it's the gun I'm jumping. It's being premature. I mean, let's be honest, we've jumped the shark. An example of jumping the shark is interrupting the intro immediately every single time. Well, then the shark was jumped before we've done it.

We've done it.

There it is.

Now, JJ Ball's also here.

Hello.

All right, how's it going? Yes. It's not a Monday. It's not a Monday. It's a Thursday. And you're in a different chair. Yes. What's it like to sit over there? It's entirely different. Yeah. I feel more powerful and... You can see Steve.

I can see Steve rather than being in the shot every time it cuts to Steve. So those are some of my favourite scenes, because half the time he looks so disgusted with what Steve is saying. Well, normally it's like, well, as you know, not on purpose zone out time to time. And so often I'm not listening. You're just like this.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, anyway, you were here today. Hello. There he is. And also we have a TIFO football

podcast debut, a debutante in his debut. He's football data journalist for the Times of London.

That's right, the Times of London. It's Hamza Khalik Loonat. Hello, everyone. Thanks for having me on. How's it going? Okay. Yeah, I'm really excited to be here. Did you like that round of applause? That was really generous. Thank you very much. Did you feel that suited your performance today? I think that, I didn't deserve that. I didn't deserve you team me up for two episodes as well we've got a new guest I'm sorry I don't do well with pressure that's nice

you I thought

he was very I didn't deserve that. I didn't deserve you team me up for two episodes and I've got a new guest.

Sorry, I don't do well with pressure.

That's nice.

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