I'm Isaac Dover. Welcome to Off Message. Today's guest, White Clef Jean. Jean is, in addition to being

celebrity and musician and wanting to run for president of Haiti himself back in 2010, an activist

around criminal justice and police reform issues. We caught up a few weeks ago and talked about all

that, but also about celebrity activism overall for people who are opposed to Donald Trump,

as most people in the entertainment business seem to be right now.

It's a conversation that happened in New Orleans as part of the Collision Conference

that happened before the whole episode with Kathy Griffin and that picture of her with the

bloody model head of Donald Trump.

But that speaks to the issue of what he was talking about. His advice for

celebrities, be more like Jimmy Kimmel. Read up, he said. If you're a high profile person, think about

how what you're doing and saying might be interpreted or maybe misinterpreted. Otherwise, you could just

end up hurting the cause you're trying to help. Be very careful, he warned, and don't make this a war with Trump supporters.

What you'll also hear, his theory for why the current political climate might actually be good for criminal justice and prison reform.

His interest in maybe running for office again.

And yeah, you'll hear the singing.

It's the first time I've ever been serenaded by a Grammy winner.

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Isaacat Politico.com. And now, our conversation with Whitecliffe, John.

Well, so let's start with that.

You ran for president, didn't, you got disqualified, and couldn't go through with the full

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