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WW 943: Five Paperclips - Looking back at 10 Years of Windows 10

Windows Weekly (Audio)

Leo Laporte

Paul Thurrott, News, Xbox, Richard Campbell, Technology, Windows, Microsoft, Tech News, Twit, Leo Laporte

4.4 β€’ 928 Ratings

πŸ—“οΈ 30 July 2025

⏱️ 168 minutes

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Summary

Ten years ago yesterday, Microsoft released Windows 10, fixing the issues with Windows 8.x and giving Windows 7 users a solid upgrade. One historical curiosity: It was the first Windows release without a major launch event. In other news, Microsoft publishes a Nadella email to the troops about the layoffs, but he never really addresses the layoffs.

Windows 10 turns 10

  • The Bad: Its legacy is mixed, as this is when the enshittification of Windows began, really
  • Windows as a Service
  • Ads, crapware, and telemetry β€” plus some made-up privacy issues
  • Terry Myerson gaff about one billion users
  • Universal apps/One Windows was a bust, with Windows Phone and HoloLens failures
  • Windows 10's launch was a missed opportunity to make the Store matter
  • The Good: Windows Subsystem for Linux was huge
  • WinGet was also huge, but is underappreciated and underutilized to this day
  • It did reverse the mistakes of Windows 8, and in time it got more stable as Microsoft figured out WaaS (and then went on to abuse it)
  • Oh, and the Windows 10 Field Guide is free to celebrate the anniversary

Windows 11

  • Microsoft is using Rust for Surface drivers, and it wants all Windows drivers to switch to Rust too
  • The Link to Windows app is getting a nice upgrade on Android
  • Dev (25H2) and Beta (24H2): Settings agent for x86, SCOOBE changes, Click to Do improvements, Windows Search improvements
  • Canary: Just a couple of bug fixes (Actually, two builds, one today also with no features)
  • Adobe Premiere Pro, After Effects, Audition, and Media Encoder are Now Native on Windows 11 on Arm in beta
  • Opera files antitrust case against Microsoft in Brazil for Windows 11/Edge behaviors
  • Another app blocking Recall in a slow-drop of negative Recall-related AI privacy news for Microsoft.
  • Rant: More importantly, Recall is boring and not useful given the hype around it.
  • Intel earnings are flat, but more layoffs are on the way
  • Lenovo rollable laptop in action! (ThinkBook Plus Gen 6)
  • Lenovo makes a lot of weird laptops now (like the dual-screen Yoga Book 9i Paul reviewed last year) β€” apparently they didn't get the message after Microsoft cancelled the Surface Neo and Windows 10X.
  • Does the average modern Windows laptop really need a touchscreen? Is this a relic of the Windows 8 era?

AI & Microsoft 365

  • Perplexity Comet is real and it shows the way forward for AI web browsers
  • Coincidentally, Microsoft suddenly launches Copilot mode for Microsoft Edge. (But I've played with Copilot Mode, and it's no Comet or Dia.)
  • Copilot is getting real-time expressions. It's the return of Clippy!
  • Microsoft's long-term Copilot plans are a lot wilder than you might expect
  • Google earned $96.4 billion in one quarter. This shows that it has not been impacted by other AIs yet

Xbox & gaming

  • Xbox is coming to Gamerscom in Germany in August, and it's bringing the ROG Xbox Ally handhelds
  • The July Xbox Update is here and it's all about the PC
  • Paul reviewed the Lenovo Legion Go S, and the Windows experience was so bad. Also, PC OEMs are having trouble competing with the Steam Deck's pricing on gaming handhelds.

Tips & picks

  • Tips of the week: Chris and Paul are partnering on his new newsletter
  • App pick of the week: Perplexity Pro
  • Beer pick of the week: Alesong Rhino Suit

These show notes have been truncated due to length. For the full show notes, visit https://twit.tv/shows/windows-weekly/episodes/943

Hosts: Leo Laporte and Paul Thurrott

Guest: Chris Hoffman

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0:00.0

It's time for Windows Weekly. Paul Therrots here. Richards has the week off. So we're very lucky.

0:05.7

Chris B. Hoffman is here. Paul's partner in his Windows Intelligence newsletter, former editor-in-chief

0:12.7

of how-to geek. We'll talk about a very big anniversary. Windows 10 is 10 years old.

0:20.3

We'll also talk about Windows 11 and co-pilots coming of age.

0:24.9

All that more coming up next on Windows Weekly.

0:30.3

Podcasts you love. From people you trust.

0:34.5

This is Twit.

0:51.5

This is Windows Weekly with Paul Thorat and Richard Campbell, episode 943, recorded Wednesday, July 30th, 2025.

0:53.0

Five paper clips.

0:54.2

It's time for Windows Weekly. Hello, you winners. Good to see you. Welcome, especially to our

1:00.2

club trip members who make this show possible. Let's say hello to Mr. Paul Therat from Therot.com.

1:07.3

He's in Mexico City, Roma, Norda. Norte. Hello, Paul. Hello, Leo. Paul, did Richard Campbell go on a

1:15.7

reducing diet and shave his beard? No, he did not. No, Richard is on an Alaska cruise for his wife's

1:25.1

birthday, yeah. Because we went on an Alaska cruise with him.

1:28.1

He just, yes, that's true. He, they had a tsunami potentially. Right. Yes. So he said that

1:36.5

Right. But I mean, he was at sea. So he just get, then you got a little rock and unroll in that.

1:42.5

No, I just chatted with him this morning and he's fine. Like they, I guess the captain set out a deeper sea toward the where this could have happened. And they, oh, interesting. They didn't feel anything. But there was a lot of, you know, kind of Poseidon vibe going on. The upside down adventure. Yeah. Yeah. I'm glad Shelley Winters is not on the trip with him.

2:03.4

Yes. So is he. Tell us who Chris Hoffman is. When he's at home. Who are you Chris Hoffman when you're at home?

2:12.9

Explain yourself, sir. Yeah, I'm Chris Hoffman. So I'm a guy journalist. hi journalist i've been writing about hi great to be here leo

2:20.2

and i know each other so i've been uh writing about windows for 15 years um you've probably seen

2:28.4

some of my work at some point i used to be editor-in-chief of how to geek a few years ago oh i love how to

2:33.1

geek we quote them all the time. Yeah.

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