From KCRW Santa Monica and KCRW.com, it's The Treatment.

Welcome to the treatment. I'm Elvis Mitchell. I'm discussing inclement weather weather and it's discontent with BAFTA Winder Oscar nominee, Umi Masako.

First of all, thank you so much for being here. I think of you doing these roles where your character doesn't give much away. I think about I am slave.

Well, I guess in so many things, you play these characters who have an interesting relationship to freedom.

And she becomes in this weird way, like the center, I think about the way she became in this awful way, the center of that house in I am slave.

And those great scenes that you had at night and that cot and just that you couldn't talk or in lovecraft country that's

same you had so much into those scenes and it happens so often where you're waiting to speak

I hadn't linked them all in that way before.

This is the first time I'm hearing it.

For me, the private moments for any character are so enthralling,

like to see what a person does on their own

and then seeing how they transform with eyes on them.

Because when I think about Ruby and Lovecraft Country,

just that the defense that she has to put up,

the representative she shows up as in the world as a black woman,

and then just the, like, kind of strange, like, her freedom as a white woman, but she does things that I'm like, even got a job?

You know, like, so banal, but also so profound for this woman.

But then it's also the stuff in between.

Like in between her life as a black woman outside

and the stuff in between the life as a white woman outside,

and then the inside, the guilt, the shame, the humiliation,

the, just the desire for freedom.

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