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What the Hell Is Going On

WTH Should I Read This Summer? "Tides of Fortune: The Rise and Decline of Great Militaries" by Zack Cooper

What the Hell Is Going On

AEI Podcasts

News, History, Government, Politics

4.4633 Ratings

🗓️ 7 August 2025

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

Kicking off our annual What the Hell’s summer book series, Zach Cooper discusses his new book, Tides of Fortune: The Rise and Decline of Great Militaries (Yale University Press, 2025). How will the United States and China evolve militarily in the years ahead? Many experts believe the answer to this question is largely unknowable. But in his book, Zack Cooper argues that the American and Chinese militaries are following a well-trodden path. For centuries, the world’s most powerful militaries have adhered to a remarkably consistent pattern of behavior, determined largely by their leaders’ perceptions of relative power shifts. WTH is China on this path? And importantly, WTH is the US?

Zack Cooper is a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, where he studies US strategy in Asia, including alliance dynamics and US-China competition. He also teaches at Princeton University and serves as chair of the board of the Open Technology Fund. Before joining AEI, Dr. Cooper was the senior fellow for Asian security at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS).

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0:07.1

Thanks for listening. Here's our show.

0:08.7

What the hell is going on?

0:10.5

What's really going on?

0:12.0

We said, what the hell happened?

0:13.5

You don't have to know what the hell is on it.

0:15.6

They see what's going on.

0:16.7

I don't know what's going on.

0:18.0

What is going on?

0:20.0

We must find out what's going on. What is going on? We must find out what is going on.

0:28.9

Hi, I'm Danielle Pletka.

0:31.0

I'm Mark Tiesen.

0:32.1

Welcome to our podcast.

0:33.7

What the hell is going on?

0:35.5

Mark, what the hell is going on?

0:39.6

Well, it's August, and we're in our summer book series, and we got our colleague, Zach Cooper from AEI, who's written a wonderful book

0:45.8

called Tides of Fortune, The Rise and Decline of Great Military. Zach is a China expert and a military

0:52.6

expert, and we're talking to him today about his book and about

0:56.1

the stages of rise and decline of great powers. And he has historical examples, which are

1:02.9

fascinating, but we really get into an interesting discussion about where is China on this

1:07.3

trajectory of rise and decline? And where is the United States? And what does that mean

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