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What the Hell Is Going On

WTH: MAGA Voters Reject Isolationism. Roger Zakheim Explains.

What the Hell Is Going On

AEI Podcasts

News, Politics, History, Government

4.4 • 633 Ratings

🗓️ 3 July 2025

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Summary

Notwithstanding regular headlines and firm conventional wisdom, the MAGA Movement is not and never has been an isolationist faction of the Republican Party. Neither the American people nor self-identified MAGA Republicans are fundamentally isolationist, and in fact score higher than non-MAGA Republicans on support for U.S. intervention abroad. The numbers don’t lie: this year’s Reagan Foundation Summer Poll found the MAGA coalition strongly support Trump’s decision to strike Iran’s nuclear facilities. Why are these results counterintuitive? And how has a tiny isolationist faction of self-appointed MAGA spokespeople drummed up so much noise?

Roger Zakheim serves as the Washington Director of the Ronald Reagan Presidential Foundation and Institute. Before joining, he was General Counsel and Deputy Staff Director of the U.S. House Armed Services Committee. In this role, Mr. Zakheim managed the passage of the annual National Defense Authorization Act, the defense policy bill which authorizes the Defense Department’s budget. Mr. Zakheim’s government experience also includes serving as Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense where he supported the department’s policies and programs related to Iraq and Afghanistan coalition affairs.

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0:08.7

What the hell is going on?

0:10.5

What's really going on?

0:12.0

We said, what the hell happened?

0:13.5

You don't have to know what the hell is on it.

0:15.6

They see what's going on.

0:16.7

I don't know what's going on.

0:18.0

What is going on?

0:20.0

We must find out what's going on. What is going on? We must find out what is going on.

0:29.6

Hi, I'm Daniel Pletka.

0:31.3

And I'm Mark Dyson.

0:32.3

Welcome to our podcast.

0:33.7

What the hell is going on?

0:35.5

Mark, what the hell is going on?

0:37.1

What the hell is going on is we have discovered a little known fact, which is that the Republican isolationists are a tiny, tiny faction of the MAGA coalition.

0:48.2

They are completely out of touch with Donald Trump, and they are completely out of touch with MAGA voters.

0:53.2

And we've got the numbers

0:54.5

to prove it, because the Ronald Reagan Institute has come out with its annual poll of foreign policy

0:59.5

attitudes, and they describe very broadly the foreign policy views of the American people,

1:04.7

Republicans, Democrats, etc. But I dug into the numbers on MAGA, and MAGA voters are not isolationists and neither is Donald Trump.

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