Project 2025 is their declaration of war on this idea of America. That's what this is and so in many ways this is I'm on the

what this is and so in many ways this is on the ballot in November

those are the stakes and I think this is really you know in a fundamental way in November

in November is going to be a referendum on whether or not we want to continue down this path towards multiracial pluralistic

egalitarianism or not.

Hello, welcome to Wises happening with with me your host Chris Hayes.

Well as we've been saying throughout this campaign year, covering campaigns are always a little bit speculative in this sense.

We don't know the future, and when someone's elected to be president, you don't know ultimately what they're going to do because that lies out in the future.

And you can make pretty good educated guesses, but sometimes there's surprises.

I don't think people that had closely studied L. B. J. in the, you know, 50s and early 60s would necessarily have thought this will be the person that pushes through the most landmark civil rights legislation since

reconstruction but that's what happened. There were reasons to think that

FDR who at one point ran on austerity and balanced budgets would sign the

new deal.

So there are surprises for sure, but as I keep saying in this context,

we have a unique situation where for the first time since the late 19th century,

we have two men squaring off who both have records

because they've both been presidents.

And then there's an additional way

in which we have a pretty clear sense

of what the future will hold in a Donald Trump presidency.

And that is this extremely granular roadmap that has been put together by a bunch of sort of right-wing activists and think

tank folks and ex-government employees that's called the Project 2025 Presidential Transition Project mandate for leadership.

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