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What the Hell Is Going On

WTH Is Going on With Trump's China Deal? Scott Lincicome Explains.

What the Hell Is Going On

AEI Podcasts

Politics, Government, History, News

4.4633 Ratings

🗓️ 20 November 2025

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

For Donald Trump, China has served as a major justification for economic protectionism, highlighting our dependencies and need to onshore products with national security implications. But that’s the talk. The reality is more dismal: a less-than-hawkish trade deal this month, with tariffs that seem to isolate allies and, inversely, reshore production on China’s mainland. For Team Trump, three camps have merged into one contradictory mess within the administration. Members of these camps look to use tariffs as leverage for trade deals, as a source of revenue, and to protect domestic industry. No single tariff can achieve all three and brief, ambiguous trade deals do little to decouple with China, friend-shore, and rebuild American industry. Where do we go from here? How will these tariff camps shake out? And how can we improve our strategic approach to global trade and protect America from the very real China threat?

Scott Lincicome is the Vice President of General Economics the Cato Institute’s Herbert A. Stiefel Center for Trade Policy Studies. He writes on international and domestic economic issues, including international trade; subsidies and industrial policy; manufacturing and global supply chains; and economic dynamism. Lincicome also is a senior visiting lecturer at Duke University Law School, where he has taught a course on international trade law. Prior to joining Cato, Lincicome spent two decades practicing international trade law at White & Case LLP, where he litigated national and multilateral trade disputes. He also authors a column for The Dispatch entitled, Capitolism.

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Thanks for listening. Here's our show.

0:08.7

What the hell is going on?

0:10.5

What's really going on?

0:12.0

We said, what the hell happened?

0:13.5

You don't have to know what the hell is on it.

0:15.6

They see what's going on.

0:16.7

I don't know what's going on.

0:18.0

What is going on?

0:20.0

We must find out what's going on. What is going on? We must find out what is going on.

0:29.5

Hi, I'm Danielle Plattka.

0:31.4

And I'm Martisan.

0:32.6

Welcome to our podcast.

0:34.1

What the hell is going on?

0:36.4

Mark, what the hell is going on? What the hell is going on is

0:40.5

Trump has announced a trade deal with China and it's a placeholder deal because it kicks the can

0:46.8

down the road a year. But it's sort of leveled up to the surface some of the contradictions

0:52.0

in our trade policy more broadly. We are lowering tariffs on China.

0:58.0

Again, this is a one-year deal, so this is not the permanent policy, but we're lowering tariffs on

1:01.8

China, but we've simultaneously, we have raised tariffs on all of the countries to whom we have

1:09.9

told our businesses, you should make stuff there instead

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