WTH Is Going On With NATO? Secretary General Mark Rutte Explains.
What the Hell Is Going On
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🗓️ 10 April 2026
⏱️ 39 minutes
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Summary
Against the backdrop of Operation Epic Fury and President Trump’s frustration with military support from NATO allies, Secretary General Mark Rutte visited Washington to discuss the alliance’s evolving burden sharing. Moving away from American codependence and increasing European defense investment took center stage at this year’s NATO Summit in The Hague, and we hope to see the fruits of that in Ukraine, along NATO’s eastern flank, and in more balanced support for U.S. efforts in Iran. Following what he described as a “candid and frank” conversation with the President this week, Rutte shares frank insights on the alliance, its future, and America’s role in addressing present day challenges in Europe.
Mark Rutte took office as the North Atlantic Treaty Organization’s 14th Secretary General on October 1st, 2024. Prior to that Mr. Rutte served as Prime Minister of the Netherlands for almost 14 years. During this time, he presided over four coalition governments, with a distinguished record of domestic and international achievements including security, defense, employment and social affairs, and economics. He was a member of the Dutch Parliament and leader of the Dutch People’s Party for Freedom and Democracy. He is a strong supporter of global and transatlantic cooperation.
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| 0:00.0 | This podcast is brought to you by the American Enterprise Institute. |
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| 0:07.1 | Thanks for listening. Here's our show. |
| 0:08.7 | What the hell is going on? |
| 0:10.5 | What's really going on? |
| 0:12.0 | We said, what the hell happened? |
| 0:13.5 | You don't have to know what the hell is on it. |
| 0:15.6 | They see what's going on. |
| 0:16.7 | I don't know what's going on. |
| 0:18.0 | What is going on? |
| 0:20.0 | We must find out what's going on. What is going on? We must find out what is going on. |
| 0:30.2 | Hi, I'm Danielle Pletka. |
| 0:31.6 | And I'm Mark Tiesin. |
| 0:32.4 | Welcome to our podcast. |
| 0:33.9 | What the hell is going on? |
| 0:35.9 | Mark, what the hell is going on is we are at the Ronald Reagan Institute in Washington. |
| 0:40.5 | We are recording this in their studios. |
| 0:42.3 | Thank you very much. |
| 0:43.7 | Dave Trilio and Roger Zachheim for allowing us to use your studio. |
| 0:46.5 | And the reason we are here is because NATO Secretary General Mark Ruda is here for an event and a lunch, which I got to attend, and he's joining us on the podcast today. |
| 0:58.7 | Outstanding. I know I really missed out on this. I was doing something, a conversation on Iran with PBS, which I enjoyed very much. |
| 1:06.5 | But I did enjoy it, but I was lucky enough that Kristen, our producer took notes on |
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