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What the Hell Is Going On

WTH Are We Letting China Steal All Our Secrets? David Shedd Explains.

What the Hell Is Going On

AEI Podcasts

News, Politics, History, Government

4.4633 Ratings

🗓️ 4 December 2025

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Summary

Over the last decade, China has carried out the largest illicit transfer of capital, innovation, data, and technology in human history. One of the most overlooked elements of this heist is the role of industrial espionage and the theft of corporate secrets. The government-backed intelligence apparatus designed to clone American technology has strengthened Chinese competition across all industries and, most notably, enabled advances in military hardware, microchips, pharmaceuticals, and telecommunications. In his newest book, The Great Heist: China’s Epic Campaign to Steal America’s Secrets (Harper Collins, 2025), David Shedd, with Andrew Badger, exposes the CCP’s campaign and presents a counterstrategy informed by his distinguished career in intelligence. But what exactly are they stealing and how are they carrying it out? Why is the IC so silent on this? And why do we insist on bringing more Chinese nationals into our universities?

David Shedd is the former deputy director and acting director of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA). He also served as chief of staff for the director of national intelligence and National Security Council senior director and as special assistant to the president for intelligence under George W. Bush. He began his intelligence career in 1982 immediately after his studies at Geneva College and Georgetown University, and served nearly thirty-three years in a number of capacities in the DNI, National Security Council, CIA, and in U.S. embassies overseas. Since leaving the federal government, he has worked at The Heritage Foundation and as an adjunct professor and is currently working as an independent national security consultant.

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0:00.0

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0:03.1

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0:07.1

Thanks for listening. Here's our show.

0:08.7

What the hell is going on?

0:10.5

What's really going on?

0:12.0

We said, what the hell happened?

0:13.5

You don't have to know what the hell is on it.

0:15.6

They see what's going on.

0:16.7

I don't know what's going on.

0:18.0

What is going on?

0:20.0

We must find out what's going on. What is going on? We must find out what is going on.

0:29.5

Hi, I'm Danielle Pletka.

0:31.3

And I'm Mark Tiesin.

0:32.5

Welcome to our podcast.

0:33.9

What the hell is going on?

0:36.2

Mark, people couldn't even begin to guess what we're talking about because there's so much what the hell going on. What is it this week? This is the what the helliest, what the hell we've possibly ever done. What the hell are we doing letting the Chinese engage in the largest theft of intellectual property, intelligence information, defense technology,

0:59.8

in the history of the world.

1:02.3

My former colleague at the White House, David Shed, has written a fantastic new book called

1:09.2

The Great Heist, China's epic campaign to steal America's

1:12.9

secrets, the story the CCP does not want revealed. He's written this with Andrew Badger,

1:18.3

who's a colleague of his from the Defense Intelligence Agency. David was in charge of the

1:22.8

Intelligence Bureau at the NSC when I was there, and we worked very closely together on declassifying a lot of

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