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So, Melissa, we've had you on before, and we've talked about Ted Bundy and serial killers,

and we've gone down that little rabbit hole of just Ted Bundy, but we know that there's a

whole big group of copycat killers for these killers of the 60s and 70s.

So before we get into these rabbit holes, I'm fascinated by serial killers, everybody.

It doesn't mean I'm a serial killer, but there is a fascination with these killers

and you're like trying to get in the mind of a murderer and things.

And we've talked about these people over and over and over again.

Why do you think we have such an attraction to these crimes and what people do?

Well, I've kind of asked myself that because a lot of, and women, women especially love true crime.

Hey, Jack. Yeah, I'm just crime. Hey, Chad.

Yeah, I'm sorry.

Women, in particular, love true crime.

And I think it's, for me, I think it's about, okay, there's something to dig it.

There's more of a mystery.

We have to find out why, why this is happening.

And it feels like we can do that.

Like, we can have access to some of this

psychology and figure out and it's part of the human nature that we need to unravel and it's a

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