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WS MoreOrLess: Modern Slavery

More or Less

BBC

News Commentary, Science, Mathematics, News

4.63.7K Ratings

🗓️ 8 March 2014

⏱️ 10 minutes

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Summary

Are there 21 million slaves in the world today? Director of 12 Years a Slave, Steve McQueen, made this claim at both the Oscars and the BAFTAs while accepting awards. More or Less looks into the definition of a slave, where they can be found, and explores how they can be counted. This programme was first broadcast on the BBC World Service.

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0:00.0

This is the short edition of Morales, first broadcast on the BBC World Service.

0:05.8

Thank you for downloading from the BBC.

0:08.6

The details of our complete range of podcasts and our terms of use go to BBCWorldService.com slash podcasts.

0:24.6

Hello and welcome to Morales on the BBC World Service.

0:28.6

I'm Charlotte McDonald.

0:34.4

Beautiful stars, sunk to as dresses, lots of red carpet.

0:39.6

Those are the glitzy hallmarks of the film award season that's now drawing to an end.

0:45.6

But amidst the glamour, one director has taken the opportunity to draw attention to the darker side of humanity.

0:54.6

Right now, there are 21 million people in slavery as we sit here, 21 million people.

1:01.6

That is the director of the film, 12 years of slave Steve McQueen, in his acceptance speech at the British Academy Film Awards.

1:08.6

He repeated the same statistic while accepting the Oscar for Best Picture.

1:14.6

Well boy, how you feel now?

1:17.6

I'm being a Solomon Law, I'm a free man.

1:21.6

This film is about historic slavery set in the USA in the 19th century.

1:27.6

But are there really 21 million slaves today?

1:30.6

There's not a single country on the planet where it's legal anymore.

1:34.6

A number of listeners emails in to ask if we can explore. Here's one from Michael Bern.

1:39.6

What is the definition of slavery in this context?

1:43.6

I don't understand how these numbers can be correct in this modern day context.

1:48.6

Steve McQueen's figure of 21 million comes from a report by the UN's International Labour Organization, or ILO.

1:56.6

Kevin Bales, Professor of Contemporary Slavery at the University of Hull, isn't sure how they reach this number.

2:03.6

The ILO, while they have very good methodologists, we're not able to see what their data happened to be

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