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Head over to Radiotopia.F.M slash donate and make your gift today. Thank you so much for listening and supporting this show. Technology criticism and fiction have a lot in common.

Think about the early days of the TV show Black Mirror.

Some of the dystopian visions were technology criticism. But there were also

a lot of startup bros who saw those episodes too and thought it would be cool to invent everything they saw.

And now our world has become a series of technological dystopias. Making fiction is a lot harder to pull off. So I was very

curious when I saw that one of my favorite technology critics, Joanne McNeil, had a new novel.

It's called Wrong Way, and it's about self-driving cars, or fake self-driving cars.

In wrong way, the cars have hidden seers or drivers tucked inside the vehicles.

Joanne and I recently got together to talk about her novel and technology and labor.

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