Hello, everyone, and welcome to talk nerdy.

Today is Monday, August 4th, 2025.

And I'm the host of the show, Dr. Kara, Santa Maria.

And as always, before we dive into this week's episode, I want to thank those of you who make

talk nerdy possible.

Remember, talk nerdyism will always be 100% free to download as long as we can keep making

the show.

We're going on over 11 years now.

We are at episode, ooh, I have it here somewhere. We're at episode

562. We started all the way back in 2014. The industry has changed quite a lot. Advertising is not

quite as big a part of it, although you do sometimes hear programmatic ads.

Frustratingly, I know. But they just really don't support the show the same way as host red ads.

So we're increasingly relying on the support of individuals just like you.

The platform we use, as most podcasters use, is Patreon.

So if you're interested in pledging your support on an episodic basis, all you've got to do is visit patreon.com slash talk nerdy to learn more. Every little bit counts.

But speaking of not so little bit, I want to thank those of you who are my top patrons for the month.

You include Anu Badovaj Chuck Blell, Daniel Lang,

David J.E. Smith, Joseph Lemore, Mary Neva, Brian Holden, David Compton, Gabrielle F. Harmeo,

Joe Wilkinson, Pasquale Jalati, and Ulrika Hagman. Thank you all so much. All right,

let's get into it. So this week I had the opportunity

to speak with Anne E. Green, a biologist who's interested in how scientists communicate their

research to a broader audience. She's taught scientific writing to undergraduates in wildlife

...