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My instinct always as a director is to not know more than the play notes because my job is to communicate the players best I can to the audience.

And if I go and do too much research, I'll be shoving in too many of my own ideas into it.

Welcome back to working. I'm your host, June Thomas.

And I'm your other host, Isaac Butler.

Isaac is always so nice to see you, but before we get into it, I must know whose voice we heard at the top of the show.

That was the very talented multi-hyphenate Patrick Marber who got his start in comedy was a stand-up comic and then he co-created Alan Partridge with Steve Cugan and Armando Ian Nucci.

And then eventually became a writer most famously of the play closer, which was made into a movie directed by Mike Nichols and stage director.

Oh, a theater person. Excellent. Indeed. And why did you want to speak with him right now?

Well, he is helming the new Tom Stopper play Leopoldstadt on Broadway. It's a play that chronicles a family of wealthy assimilated Jews in Vienna from about 1899 to the 1950s in a little over two hours.

Well, I am very excited to hear the interview, but I believe that you have an extra segment just for sleep plus members. What will they hear?

Well, yes, we do. Patrick and I are both Jews and this is a play about Jews and it's kind of a Jewish identity play and they clearly worked hard to make sure the Jews in the play were played by Jewish actors.

And so I wanted to talk to him about that and about whether Jewish roles have to be played by Jews or not.

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