And the only way to defeat the bogot is to use the ridiculous spell.

So you cast the ridiculous spell and you reimagine it, still the shape of the thing that you fear most,

but it might be wearing a silly hat, or it might be naked, or whatever.

To me, it's like the perfect analogy for how to deal with abusive men on the internet and trolls.

You are listening to Made of Human also noticed that

oh, a podcast hosted by Sophie Hagen who is a Danish comedian

No.

Trying to find out how to do life

More But it turns out nobody knows.

Thank you so much for listening.

Thank you so much for listening. And also hello if you've never listened before but you are only listening because the amazing Clementine Fort is on the broadcast because I don't know how many Australian

business I do have so this might be very exciting my accent is Danish it's from Denmark

that's what's happening here I don't know how it sounds. It's not even

really the real Danish accent. This is the real Danish accent, this is how

Danish people actually sound, and it's a bit awkward and all of the Swedish people they say that it sounds like we have a

potato in our mouth. Yeah, not proud but that is after all where I'm from and I cannot run from my heritage any more than I already have.

Clementine Ford is a star. It was a very interesting chat.

I am, yeah, I think at the end I was like, oh, hmm, I was, I said to her that I didn't want to ask all the questions that she's always asked. I don't think I really did because I think I came from another, I don't feel like we were educating each other, which is what usually happens when you are the sort of person that we are, I think we're in many ways the same person a bit provocative we say some things

that people don't like and that you often end up going on podcasts just to educate

people on why you have these so-called radical opinions and but we still talked about that a lot

Which is fine because Clementine is super super super

Just bright and intelligent and funny and I'm very excited for you to hear, to hear our conversation.

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