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Big Blue Banter: A New York Giants Football Podcast

WR preview: Unproven with SKY-HIGH ceiling

Big Blue Banter: A New York Giants Football Podcast

Blue Wire

Sports News, Football, Sports, News

4.81.2K Ratings

🗓️ 1 July 2024

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Nick and Dan discuss the Giants' WR CORPS ahead of training camp, and the immense - UNPROVEN - potential within the room. The two go through the ideal 11 personnel package, Darius Slayton, and depth pieces like Isaiah Hodgins, Allen Robinson, and Bryce Ford-Wheaton.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

21, we weren't as excited as we are right now.

0:04.0

There was some level of excitement after the Giants went out and sought Cadarius, Tony, and brought in a wide receiver in Kenny Ghalade.

0:10.8

But we were a little hesitant because Kenny Goliday's hip, because we had some information about his hip injury.

0:15.9

But it was still an upgrade over the 2020 season where it was really just Darius Slayton and a bunch of no name wide

0:22.1

receivers Sterling Shepard dealing with some injuries. So 2021, there was a little bit of excitement

0:26.5

that nearly the excitement that we have right now. 2017, I would say, was probably the last time.

0:31.4

Yeah, you're right. And now the question becomes, is it fair for us to have this level of

0:36.1

excitement for the squad receiver group? And I asked that question because it is a very unproven group. We are excited about things that haven't actually translates to the field. And I know I listened to the athletic. They did a podcast ranking each team's wide receiver group. And they had the giant second to last. And the way that they described it was, why would I get excited? And I love Robert

0:54.3

Mays. And he described it as why would I be getting excited about one rookie receiver and the

0:59.0

rest of grouping unproven. Now, the reason I am excited, Nick, is that I feel like being

1:05.1

proven, for example, is not exactly something that translates one to one. Like if we had stats out of Wondell Robinson or we had stats at a Jalen Hyatt last year,

1:14.9

everyone would be feeling such a different level of excitement for these players,

1:18.2

but I'm not so sure stats last year translate one to one to stats this year

1:23.0

because there were so many moments where the Giants passing game was just not functional

1:26.8

last year due to the quarterback and offensive line play. And if I'm going to take that out on the receiver's stat production, it doesn't feel that genuine. It doesn't feel genuine is not the word. It doesn't feel that predictive to me. So you use last year's stats with the situation at quarterback in O line as it was to predict this year's stats. I'd rather use the tape.

2:51.0

And on tape, I saw a lot of really good things from, I'm going to start with Jalen Hyatt. And I put a big thread out about a month ago, Nick, on Twitter, where I put up 12 to 14 plays of all 22 of Jalen Hyatt that showed different parts of the skill set he put on film last year. It wasn't just him. And now some of this was, him winning vertically, stacking defensive backs, getting that step, using that extra year and speed. There was also moments like against the Patriots where he showed stop and startability. He catches a drag route. It's third and 10. He needs to put his foot in the dirt, make that defender miss, restart and get up field for the first down. And he does. There were examples with DeVito, where he's running across the field on a deep over. He has to catch away from his frame, Jalen Hyatt, extend to make that catch, concentrate to make that catch, and drag his toes and tap his toes. He had a lot of toe tapping catches last year, to be completely honest, on the limited amount of reps he had. Now, there are areas of his game that still have to improve. He has to get stronger. His play contact has to get his contact strength has to get stronger, and he has to be able to beat press man. And that's something that he's going to face this year, especially if the snap percentage goes up. But all of those positive traits I saw on tape, some of those we didn't actually see or we didn't actually know for sure we're going to happen. So to me, it's a step forward. And then on the second part, Wandel Robinson, well, that I think if you watch the tape, it's self-explanatory. The way it gets in and out of his breaks, the way he can create after the catch, some of those post-catch runs, some of those runs that were designed to him, that he was able to make defenders miss and also accelerate and his ability to get in and out of breaks. I thought that was really on display at times. The Packers game, the game winning play, among many others, despite being, you know, less than one year removed from the ACL until that Packers game. So to me, those two stand out as players that are more proven on film than the stat column shows. And it's a big reason why I'm so excited about this group. I'm glad you brought that up too. I mean, look, who had a worse situation in the New York Giants last year at quarterback where they had to use three quarterbacks, Daniel Jones, Tommy DeVito, and Tyrod Taylor, and at offensive line where Justin Pugh had to come in and he was like the savior of the entire situation. It was a disaster. That's obviously going to affect Jalen Hyatt, a rookie wide receiver. And Wondell Robbins and a wide receiver recovering from a torn ACL. I remained high on both of these players. And to the Jalen Hyatt point, some of the issues with Jalen Hyatt was strength. At the catch point, he wants to be stronger when he has the football in his hands.

3:58.3

He's been eating PBNJ after PB&J, according to the John Schmelk interview. He's been trying to put on weight while being cognizant of the fact that he does not want to compromise his speed whatsoever. So we might see a different type of Jalen Hayek. I agree. I think he does need to be a little bit stronger at the catch point. And I'm hoping it gets more opportunity now that Malik

3:56.9

neighbors is there and the offensive line should be a little bit better for Daniel Jones, who Jalen Hyatt also brought up, said he looks amazing in his recovery. As of right now, looks like he's going to be ready for training camp as we've talked about and discussed previously. So I think we could see even a different type of Jalen Hyatt. And one,

4:31.5

Wondell Robinson, he said, I felt confident in the Green Bay game, but I didn't really feel

4:36.5

100% until the offseason. So now we might even see another Wondale Robinson. So we're seeing

4:41.9

improved versions of players that we did not see last season maximize because of the situation around them, both of them being young players in a system that is very difficult, according to all those John Schmelk interviews to pick up, as we've already known. There are few things there, Nick, I did want to unpack. The first being, you know, a lot of discussion we always see in these off seasons is like, who had it the worst? What quarterback had the worst situation?

5:08.3

I never see it framed as what, because no one really cares about this stuff, but for this debate, it makes sense. What receiver group had the worst situation last year? And I think a strong case can be

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