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Hi, everyone.

I'm Carrie Hartman, one of the producers of Burden of Guilt.

Thank you so much for listening, for writing to us, for your feedback, and for caring about

Germain and Bobby's story.

As these episodes are released, we've been wondering what it's been like for them to relive all of this.

So we reached out after the latest episode.

First, I had a conversation with Bobby and then Germain.

But we'll start with Bobby Gumpright.

I want to talk to you a little bit about episode three.

So this episode is called the front gate.

A lot happens, including an analysis of the court testimony. And that was when you were 19 years old.

What has it been like to hear that episode and hear that analysis? And how did that strike you?

It was interesting to hear the entire transcript the way that it was replayed in the podcast. Some of the details I had actually

forgotten myself just because it was so long ago. And with years of drug abuse, you tend to

not have the best memory. So there were

there were parts that did get me quite emotional listening to it, but I don't think that anything

was misportrayed or incorrect in any of the observations. What was the most surprising part that you hadn't recalled until you heard it in the show?

The fact that a juror had said that I had come over and thank them after they had come back with

the verdict.

You're talking about Jermaine's trial after the jury found Jermaine guilty.

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