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The Carlat Psychiatry Podcast

Wounded Healers: Freud and Jung

The Carlat Psychiatry Podcast

Pocket Psychiatry: A Carlat Podcast

Alternative Health, Medicine, Health & Fitness, Mental Health

4.7524 Ratings

🗓️ 15 December 2025

⏱️ 15 minutes

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Summary

Some of the people who revolutionized psychiatry lived with mental illness themselves. 

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Published On: 12/15/2025

Duration: 15 minutes, 15 seconds

Chris Aiken, MD and Kellie Newsome, PMHNP have disclosed no relevant financial or other interests in any commercial companies pertaining to this educational activity.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Some of the people who revolutionized psychiatry struggled with psychiatric symptoms of their own,

0:05.4

starting with Freud and Jung.

0:11.6

Welcome to the Carlisat Psychiatry podcast, keeping psychiatry honest since 2003.

0:17.5

I'm Chrisaken, the editor-in-chief of the Carlott Psychiatry Report.

0:21.3

And I'm Kelly Newsom, a psychiatric MP and a dedicated reader of every issue.

0:28.9

In April of 2024, we released a series on wounded healers, interviewing psychiatrists, therapists, and nurse practitioners who live with their own mental illness,

0:40.3

bipolar, addiction, ADHD, panic, and schizoaffective disorder.

0:45.3

When I set out to do those interviews, I expected to find a deep well of empathy,

0:50.3

a richer understanding of the disorders that they treat.

0:53.3

And I did, but I also found something else.

0:57.2

These clinicians were not satisfied with the status quo.

1:01.5

They knew what it's like to live with lingering symptoms and persistent side effects,

1:06.2

and they went the extra mile to make sure that didn't happen to their patients.

1:12.5

From intake to emergency calls, they set up their practice in patient-friendly ways. They knew how mental illness can hide

1:19.1

behind a wall of shame and disorder, symptoms like suicide, trauma, mania, addiction, even side

1:26.9

effects that people keep secret so as not to disappoint us.

1:31.4

They understood that patients don't always tell us what we need to know, so they probed deeper,

1:37.8

asking more questions. They did all the stuff that we all ought to be doing. They just did it

1:43.8

very well.

1:45.7

That Wounded Healer series has become one of our most popular series, and today we have

1:50.9

a CODA. These are the wounded researchers. Like the clinicians we interviewed, they are not satisfied

1:57.7

with the status quo. They aren't even satisfied with doing their best with what we got.

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