Wounded Healers: Freud and Jung
The Carlat Psychiatry Podcast
Pocket Psychiatry: A Carlat Podcast
4.7 • 524 Ratings
🗓️ 15 December 2025
⏱️ 15 minutes
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Some of the people who revolutionized psychiatry lived with mental illness themselves.
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Published On: 12/15/2025
Duration: 15 minutes, 15 seconds
Chris Aiken, MD and Kellie Newsome, PMHNP have disclosed no relevant financial or other interests in any commercial companies pertaining to this educational activity.
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| 0:00.0 | Some of the people who revolutionized psychiatry struggled with psychiatric symptoms of their own, |
| 0:05.4 | starting with Freud and Jung. |
| 0:11.6 | Welcome to the Carlisat Psychiatry podcast, keeping psychiatry honest since 2003. |
| 0:17.5 | I'm Chrisaken, the editor-in-chief of the Carlott Psychiatry Report. |
| 0:21.3 | And I'm Kelly Newsom, a psychiatric MP and a dedicated reader of every issue. |
| 0:28.9 | In April of 2024, we released a series on wounded healers, interviewing psychiatrists, therapists, and nurse practitioners who live with their own mental illness, |
| 0:40.3 | bipolar, addiction, ADHD, panic, and schizoaffective disorder. |
| 0:45.3 | When I set out to do those interviews, I expected to find a deep well of empathy, |
| 0:50.3 | a richer understanding of the disorders that they treat. |
| 0:53.3 | And I did, but I also found something else. |
| 0:57.2 | These clinicians were not satisfied with the status quo. |
| 1:01.5 | They knew what it's like to live with lingering symptoms and persistent side effects, |
| 1:06.2 | and they went the extra mile to make sure that didn't happen to their patients. |
| 1:12.5 | From intake to emergency calls, they set up their practice in patient-friendly ways. They knew how mental illness can hide |
| 1:19.1 | behind a wall of shame and disorder, symptoms like suicide, trauma, mania, addiction, even side |
| 1:26.9 | effects that people keep secret so as not to disappoint us. |
| 1:31.4 | They understood that patients don't always tell us what we need to know, so they probed deeper, |
| 1:37.8 | asking more questions. They did all the stuff that we all ought to be doing. They just did it |
| 1:43.8 | very well. |
| 1:45.7 | That Wounded Healer series has become one of our most popular series, and today we have |
| 1:50.9 | a CODA. These are the wounded researchers. Like the clinicians we interviewed, they are not satisfied |
| 1:57.7 | with the status quo. They aren't even satisfied with doing their best with what we got. |
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