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Hello, this is the Red Box podcast. I'm Matt Charlie, bringing you the rest of my Times

videos show. You can listen live Monday to Friday, 10-till-one, on your DAB radio, on your smart

speaker, or download the Times Radio app. In fact, a few of you've got in touch recently to say

that as a result, listen to the podcast and listen to the radio, so welcome aboard.

Right, coming up on today's episode, then, haven't they learned our lesson? Referendums are

spreading around the world. Everyone seems to be having them having an Australia to talk about

with them in France, do we even have one in Blackpool? Are they a good idea? Or walls,

markets that you like to say they were basically the work of dictators? That's coming up in our

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