Would You Die To Stop ICE?
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🗓️ 15 January 2026
⏱️ 27 minutes
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Summary
The Episcopal bishop of New Hampshire went viral for telling clergy to have their affairs in order as they prepare to defend the most vulnerable, at a prayer vigil for Renee Good. He says, “I’ve said nothing new that I have not said in 35 years of ordained ministry.”
Guest: Bishop A. Robert Hirschfeld,10th Bishop in the Episcopal Church of New Hampshire serving since August 2012.
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| 0:00.0 | There's this image I keep thinking about as I scroll past one video after another of |
| 0:12.2 | immigration enforcement agents romping through Minnesota. This picture shows one of those |
| 0:17.3 | signs you see in front of churches, the kind with a Bible passage or an |
| 0:21.8 | inspirational message on it. This one's in front of the Judson Memorial Baptist Church |
| 0:27.0 | in Minneapolis. It reads, Blessed are the whistleblowers, for they play the music of salvation. |
| 0:38.3 | I find the presence of faith leaders at moments like this, reassuring. |
| 0:42.8 | And they've been here the whole time. |
| 0:44.6 | Like remember when the president was first inaugurated, |
| 0:47.3 | and the bishop of Washington, D.C. took to the pulpit and asked him to show mercy. |
| 0:52.9 | This time is a little different, though. |
| 0:56.1 | Just the other day, a reporter from Religion News Service posted a picture of himself. |
| 1:00.9 | In goggles, a helmet, a gas mask. |
| 1:04.7 | He captioned it, LOL, Religion Reporting, 26. |
| 1:10.7 | I think I find faith leaders comforting because their perspective is long. |
| 1:16.6 | Take Bishop Robert Hirschfeld of New Hampshire. He's Episcopal, not afraid to talk politics from the |
| 1:23.1 | pulpit. When I asked how he was handling the last week or so, as a religious figure, asked him for a |
| 1:29.6 | pastoral vibe check, he said this. My vibe is, I've been called to be really grounded and |
| 1:38.9 | centered in the depth of my, the wisdom of my faith. |
| 1:44.8 | So I feel increasingly at peace, although the world is not at peace. |
| 1:51.8 | That's a remarkable skill to feel increasingly at peace now. |
| 1:56.9 | Well, because the alternative is chaos and internal mayhem and even just deep despair. |
| 2:10.9 | Bishop Hirschfeld was born in Minnesota. |
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