Would U.S. Generals Obey Illegal Trump Orders?
The David Frum Show
The Atlantic
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🗓️ 29 October 2025
⏱️ 58 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Okay, so what if you could listen to all your books, docs, PDFs, and articles? |
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| 0:11.4 | So download 11 Reader for free on your favorite app store today. Hello, and welcome to the David Fromm Show. |
| 0:29.1 | I'm David Frum, a staff writer at the Atlantic. |
| 0:32.0 | My guest this week will be my Atlantic colleague Tom Nichols, and we'll be discussing |
| 0:35.8 | civil military relations in the United |
| 0:37.7 | States as troops march in American cities and as the United States appears to be sliding |
| 0:42.9 | toward a unilateral unapproved by Congress war in the Caribbean. My book this week will not be a book |
| 0:49.1 | at all. It will be a play, Rhinoceros by Eugene Ionesco. Please stay to the end to hear a discussion of that play. |
| 0:55.8 | But first, some preliminary thoughts about the week just passed and the week ahead. |
| 1:01.0 | There's so many outrages in the Trump years. There's so many abuses that maybe it's petty to fix |
| 1:06.9 | on minor irritants. But there is a minor irritant that got caught in my craw. I just want to |
| 1:12.1 | ventilate a little bit about it. One of the more annoying and more pointless aspects of the Trump era is |
| 1:19.3 | what I call politicized stupidity. Politicized stupidity is a kind of aggressive not getting the point |
| 1:26.3 | by people who are otherwise perfectly well |
| 1:29.2 | equipped to getting the point. Genuine stupidity is a misfortune and is distributed by God, |
| 1:35.6 | but the politicized stupidity is chosen, and it's chosen for reasons. Let me give you an example |
| 1:40.1 | of what I mean. So President Trump has just demolished the east wing of the White House. He did this |
| 1:46.0 | without any form of consultation, as if the White House were his personal property. In order to |
| 1:50.6 | build a giant ballroom that there's no demonstration of need for, and that again, he's treating |
| 1:55.1 | as a point of personal property. He's choosing the design. There's no process of respect for |
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