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Hello and welcome to Coffee How Shots, the spectator's daily politics podcast.

I'm Max Jeffery and I'm joined by Katie Bulls and Isabelle Hodman.

Oliver Dowden and Angela Reiner, Clash in the Commons today at PMQs.

Isabelle, can you tell us what happened?

Well, Oliver Dowden has been preparing for Prime Minister's questions for about 20 years and today

he got his understudy moment as Deputy Prime Minister. He has prepared four conservative leaders,

Michael Howard, David Cameron, Theresa May and Rishi Sunak. So he gave, it was a bit like watching a sort of

a training course on how to do politics with a textbook demonstration of how to do PMQs.

You know, you had a joke about his opponents, a little bit of a welcome for Angela Reiner,

a mention of Labour Ron Wales, a mention of Reiner's support for Jeremy Corbyn,

a nod to his backstory as a comprehensive school to boys. He described himself.

And the session, it went quite smoothly, both for him and for Angela Reiner. He described

Angela Reiner and Keir Starmer as being the fill and holly of British politics, a nice zeitgeist

joke there. And Angela Reiner talked about the Tories, not providing a minimum service level

after Oliver Dowden made the obligatory reference to the Labour Party, refusing to back the

conservative government's minimum service levels for striking workers. So it ticked all the

boxes. Did we learn anything? No, were we expecting to learn anything from PMQs? Probably not.

But I think the real question that both parties are asking and that was the sort of overarching

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