Would K-Pop Exist Without Black Culture?
The Sam Sanders Show
KCRW & Sam Sanders
4.9 • 707 Ratings
🗓️ 24 February 2026
⏱️ 31 minutes
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Summary
From the Billboard charts to the Oscars, K-Pop is bigger than ever in Hollywood. Along with its global domination, there’s a dark side to the genre. Blatant appropriation of Black American culture. K-Pop stars caught using racial slurs. Fandoms torn apart over anti-Black racism.
So, how should we all be thinking about K-Pop in 2026? Sam poses that question to Dr. Sarah Olutola, novelist and professor at Lakehead University. Her research centers on pop culture, Black culture and K-Pop. They examine the history, geopolitics and future of a global system largely built off Black American art.
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| 0:00.0 | Hey, Sam Sanders here. |
| 0:07.0 | Thank you so much for listening. |
| 0:09.0 | This episode, K-pop. |
| 0:11.4 | So while mindlessly scrolling a few weeks ago, as I often do, I began to notice something. |
| 0:17.2 | A lot of videos talking about the same thing. |
| 0:20.2 | Asking if or complaining about how K-pop appropriates black culture. |
| 0:25.6 | The reason why it's so hard for people to accept that K-pop has its roots in black American culture is that they look down on black Americans. |
| 0:31.6 | K-pop is not some isolated culture phenomenon. It's black music and black culture. |
| 0:36.6 | Systemized through a Korean entertainment industry machine. If black black music and black culture, systemized through a Korean |
| 0:38.6 | entertainment industry machine. If black people are calling you out for cultural appropriation, |
| 0:43.0 | it's because you're not talented enough. We actually don't have a problem with a little bit of |
| 0:47.2 | cultural appropriation if it's done correctly. I am old enough to know that most pop music that any of us |
| 0:52.0 | enjoy here in the Western world, any of it could |
| 0:54.8 | be accused of appropriating black culture. |
| 0:57.7 | But I wondered, why am I seeing so many of these videos now? |
| 1:02.2 | I mean, I get it. |
| 1:03.1 | K-pop is bigger than ever. |
| 1:04.7 | Golden, a very K-pop song from a very K-pop movie called K-pop Demon Hunters. |
| 1:11.1 | It could win an Oscar in a few weeks. |
| 1:13.2 | For the record, I love that song and that movie. |
| 1:16.2 | But I also know a little bit about the origins of K-pop. |
| 1:19.4 | The creators of the genre have said themselves, |
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