Worshipping Waterfalls: The Evolution of Belief
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🗓️ 19 February 2022
⏱️ 53 minutes
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Summary
Jane Goodall has seen wild chimpanzees dance and bristle with excitement around roaring waterfalls — and she thinks it’s an experience of awe and wonder — and possibly a precursor to animistic religion.
But can we ever know why our ancient human ancestors developed spiritual beliefs? Can evolutionary science uncover the roots of religion?
At some point our ancestors went from admiring waterfalls to worshipping them - and all kinds of spirits and gods. They developed sacred rituals and turned stones into totems. And then came the Battle of the Gods.
This was produced in partnership with the Center for Humans and Nature, an organization that brings together scholars from a diversity of disciplines to think creatively about our relationships with nature and each other. What do you think evolution can tell us about love and morality? Share your thoughts at humansandnature.org. This episode was made possible through the support of the John Templeton Foundation.
Original Air Date: May 14, 2017
Guests:
Jane Goodall — Laura Kehoe — Frans de Waal — Barbara King — Ara Norenzayan — Jeff Schloss — Andrew Newberg
Interviews In This Hour:
Do Chimpanzees Have Spiritual Experiences? — How 'Big Gods' Transformed Human History — An Evolutionary Biologist Searches for God — What Bliss Looks Like In Your Brain — Are Morals a Part of Our Evolution?
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| 0:00.0 | It's to the best of our knowledge. Could animals have a sense of the sacred? |
| 0:05.0 | Jane Goodall has seen chimpanzees in the wild sit quietly, for a long time staring at a waterfall. |
| 0:14.0 | You can't help feeling that it must be awe or wonder. |
| 0:18.0 | Well, it makes you wonder if our ancestors had similar experiences. |
| 0:21.6 | I would bet they did. |
| 0:23.6 | So if chimpanzees awe and wonder led to early religion, just how common are these experiences? |
| 0:31.6 | Could anyone have them? |
| 0:33.6 | Some people, Enlightenment, just hits no matter what they're doing, just driving their car down the street, and suddenly an experience happens to them. |
| 0:39.7 | I think that's called Bliss Happens. |
| 0:42.0 | Yeah, exactly. |
| 0:43.6 | I'm Anne Strange Champs. |
| 0:44.8 | This hour, science, chimps, and the deep roots of religious belief. |
| 0:49.2 | Plus, what it means for you and me. |
| 1:07.8 | Music what it means for you and me. It's to the best of our knowledge. I'm Anstrain Champs. |
| 1:13.6 | Have you ever had an experience you just could not explain? |
| 1:19.6 | We were doing field research to basically collect everything we could about the chimpanzee community there. |
| 1:26.6 | Wildlife biologist Laura Kiho, this was in Guinea, West Africa. |
| 1:32.0 | We were sort of just trundling through the bush, and we stopped at a clearing. |
| 1:38.4 | And this guide, Mamadu Alibah, incredibly talented guy, He had found some markings on a tree. |
| 1:46.4 | Other local people thought that these were probably just wild pigs or teenagers or something else. |
| 1:53.4 | But Mamadu was sure that there was something more to it. |
| 1:58.6 | So we put up a camera there for a few weeks to catch what it can and we essentially moved on. |
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