This is the greatest hour to follow Jesus.

We have Jen Johnson with us today from Bethel Church, and I know you love her ministry.

Brian was going to be with us, but he's out hunting. No. He's not. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But,

Jen, we're so honored to have you. I mean, I want to take, I was listening to the loft sessions when it first

came out, and I was getting ready to go minister. And you know what it's like to be in a rush with

kids going to minister. And I just threw it on my iPad, and I was in the bedroom. I started sobbing

when I heard that song come to me. And it was like you were singing from the Lord's heart.

And I so appreciate that.

You know, it's one thing to sing to the Lord, and he loves that.

But it's like you guys have walked into the heart of Jesus

and you're declaring to the people how Jesus feels about them.

So we'll honor you.

I mean, we listen to you all the time.

Thank you. My wife listens to you while she's cooking. Yeah, yeah. So we want to thank you.

Thanks for being on the show. And it's a real privilege. I want to talk to you about

worship and the presence of the Lord.

What I so appreciate about Bethel and your ministry is that the presence is everything.

First of all, what is worship?

And secondly, how is worship connected

with the presence of the Lord?

Worship to me is kind of a twofold thing that I, the Lord showed me this picture.

I don't know where this is scripturally, but it's a picture that the Lord should have me.

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