'Worse than Bucha'
Ukrainecast
BBC
4.7 • 1K Ratings
🗓️ 7 September 2022
⏱️ 31 minutes
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Summary
Journalist Konstantin Ryzhenko lived through months of fear and terror in Russian-occupied Kherson. He escaped two weeks ago and tells Vitaliy about what life is like in the city, and the role he played in providing intelligence to the Ukrainian military and resistance fighters.
Also, Victoria talks to Russian oligarch and Putin critic Mikhail Khodorkovsky – he explains why he believes force is the only thing that the Russian president understands. The series producer is Estelle Doyle. The producers are Clare Williamson and Arsenii Sokolov. The technical producer is Emma Crowe. The assistant editor is Alison Gee and the editor is Jonathan Aspinwall. Email Ukrainecast@bbc.co.uk with your questions and comments. You can also send us a message or voice note via WhatsApp, Signal or Telegram to +44 330 1239480.
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| 0:00.0 | BBC sounds, music, radio, podcasts. |
| 0:04.8 | Hello, it's 196 days since Russia began its invasion of Ukraine. |
| 0:11.4 | And I'm in Central London at the offices of a man who was once one of Russia's richest. |
| 0:17.9 | He's called Mikhail Khodakovsky. |
| 0:20.7 | He's been telling me how Russians and the West should stand up to President Putin. |
| 0:25.5 | He is in exile, essentially, and lives here. |
| 0:29.1 | Mr Khodakovsky is a critic of Vladimir Putin and he's spent 10 years in prison for it. |
| 0:35.6 | He's a very influential man. |
| 0:37.6 | He wants Ukraine to get more help from the West. |
| 0:42.0 | He wants more weapons to be sent because he said that's the only way that President Putin will be defeated. |
| 0:48.4 | And he was essentially Russia's first oligarch who thought he was so powerful, |
| 0:54.0 | so rich that he could challenge President Putin. |
| 0:57.9 | But in the end, he paid the price and he went to jail. |
| 1:02.0 | And you will hear in our interview a little later, |
| 1:04.7 | what he says about whether he lives in fear in the UK. |
| 1:11.8 | This is Ukraine, Kost. |
| 1:14.0 | Ukraine, Kost, from the East. |
| 1:17.6 | The question for us now is to be or not to be. |
| 1:21.5 | I'm ordering the Ministry of Defence to put the strategic nuclear forces on special alert. |
| 1:26.8 | I could not imagine that I would find out that actually my home is bombed. |
| 1:31.5 | Putin is the aggression. |
| 1:33.6 | He will never be able to cleanse the blood from his hands. |
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