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🗓️ 22 April 2025
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When Mandela Leola Van Eeden was a child roaming the South African outback, her father would run a flag up a tall pole above their cabin so that she and her dog would be able to find their way back home. Her mother is from Valier, on Montana’s Hi-Line, and Mandela grew up mostly in Billings, steeped as much in the Montana outdoors culture as she was in her father’s native South African farming and ranching world. She is a hunter and an angler, an international whitewater rafting guide and explorer, musician, Ashtanga yoga teacher, and host and producer of the hugely popular podcast The Trail Less Travelled. The foundation of her life and her work is the beauty and power of the natural world, conserving it, honoring it, being a part of it. Mandela serves on the board of the Montana Wildlife Federation, and is a critical voice in African conservation efforts, from the Zambezi River to watersheds in the Atlas Mountains. Join us for a conversation that is almost- but not quite- as wide-ranging as our guest.
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0:00.0 | Before we begin, I want to make it absolutely clear that the opinions I am about to express in this interview are my own, and do not represent the Montana Wildlife Federation or any other organization. |
0:12.2 | My views are based on my own understanding of the science, research, and management of wildlife in Montana and other places around the world where I have worked as a guide. |
0:22.1 | I appreciate this opportunity to discuss these important topics and look forward to a productive |
0:26.7 | conversation. I am an advocate for science-based wildlife management. I base my opinions and actions |
0:32.9 | on science and fact-based carnivore management to Montana. I advocate for mature policies that value all wildlife |
0:40.5 | as representative of Montana being the last best place |
0:43.8 | and a source of significant revenue for the state of Montana |
0:47.0 | from wildlife tourism. |
0:51.6 | If you think that the extinction of chrysmatic megafauna, such as southern resident orcas, |
0:59.0 | are not going to affect you in Africa, I believe you might be mistaken there. |
1:02.0 | It's all connected. |
1:03.0 | If you think that the extinction of rhinos or elephants is not going to affect you over here, it's all connected. |
1:10.0 | So the more knowledge you gather, the farther you can travel in Australia. |
1:14.6 | The more songlines you learn, the more access you will have to walking across the entire country as a whole. |
1:21.6 | And it's ocean-derived nitrogen, which stops in the tree rings about 80 years ago. |
1:30.3 | That was incredibly impressive to me that such a thing exists in the first place. |
1:37.5 | Yeah. |
1:38.1 | That you could break it also and not know what you've broken, and then that you could fix it. Amazing. |
1:47.7 | Hey, everybody. It's Hal Herring, Backcountry Hunters and Anglers Podcast and Blast. Thanks for |
1:53.2 | being here. Hey, I am proud to announce we have a new sponsor for our podcast, and that is |
1:59.9 | Silence or Central. If you are involved in hunting |
2:03.6 | and shooting or both, you are probably looking at owning or dreaming of owning a silencer |
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