All of this, I spoke with Alexander Stubb, the President of Finland.

President Stubb, thanks very much. Good to see you. The German Chancellor, Frederick Mertz,

opened this conference saying the current world order, as we know it, is over.

And the written report that was published ahead of this conference blamed President Trump

for, quote, taking the axe to the system that has ensured European security for decades. Do you agree with those

statements? No, I've just written a book saying that the world order is actually in transition.

So let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. World orders change. After World War I,

it lasted for two decades, after World War II for four decades, and after the Cold War for

three decades. And now we're looking for something new.

And for me, it's very important that the transatlantic partnership still stands in the middle of it.

There is enormous angst among some of the Europeans I speak to,

and I acknowledge it's divisions within Europe, but still enormous angst.

And I had a European foreign minister at this conference

tell me that Europe cannot defend itself conventionally, lack of a trust in the United States

or losing trust. This minister is going to raise the idea of more European countries getting

nuclear weapons beyond France and the United Kingdom. Is that a conversation that's actually

been happening? Is that a good idea? Well, first, I'd disagree with the minister in question. I mean, the full Finnish defense

composure with 830 miles of border with Russia is based on our capability to defend ourselves.

Conventionally. Conventionally. The reason we have one million men and women who've been

trade in Arctic conditions.

We have 62 F-18s. We just bought 64 F-35s. We have long-range missiles, air, land and sea, and we have the biggest artillery in Europe together with Poland.

So I don't want to hear anyone telling me that we can't defend ourselves.

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