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Family Secrets

World Class Liars

Family Secrets

iHeartPodcasts

Society & Culture

4.55.2K Ratings

🗓️ 8 June 2023

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

Letty’s life is laced with “shanda”—the Yiddish word for shame or disgrace. And the shanda is not hers alone; it stretches back and through many generations of suppression, secrecy, and the enormous heft of overcoming stigma and breaking the cycle for once and for all.

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Family Secrets is a production of I Heart Radio.

0:08.0

Without the contents of the shopping bag, I could never have crouched open the marrow bones of my parent secrets.

0:16.0

The coded their concerts, their zigzagging passions, the craggie map of their marriage.

0:23.0

Their letters to one another answer questions I didn't know enough to ask.

0:31.0

That's Ledy Cotton-Pogorban, a founding editor of Ms. Magazine, writer, lecturer, social justice advocate,

0:39.0

and author most recently of Shanda, a memoir of shame and secrecy.

0:45.0

Ledy's story is like one of those Russian nesting dolls, secrets within secrets within secrets, each one giving way to the next,

0:53.0

and Ledy un-Earths them tenaciously and courageously discovering one after another until she finally arrives at the tiny heart kernel of what is true.

1:13.0

I'm Danny Shapiro and this is Family Secrets.

1:17.0

The secrets that are kept from us, the secrets we keep from others, and the secrets we keep from ourselves.

1:28.0

The landscape of my childhood had had very few hills or valleys. It was just a sort of flat plain of pleasure in my everyday life, except that I had very, very, very unhappy parents.

1:42.0

They argued every night after dinner. I was raised in Jamaica, Queens. My parents moved there from the Bronx.

1:51.0

When they moved, they imagined a landhired new life for themselves. We lived next door to my aunt, Hilly, my mother's sister, a very close to her person of my life.

2:02.0

I was a street kid. I mean, I went out in the morning and didn't come back until dinner time. We played stickball.

2:08.0

Jamaica was really like a suburb at that point. It's in the borough of Queens, but it felt like it was Long Island.

2:17.0

I went to Hebrew school from age three until I graduated from Hebrew High School. And in between, I went to the Ashifah Queen for two years.

2:27.0

And my dad was the president of the shoe, which made him what we call a big maca, which made me the daughter of a big maca.

2:35.0

So I sat on his lap on the beama and I got a lot of privileges.

2:39.0

Tell me about the mother of your childhood.

2:42.0

The mother of my childhood was an omnipresent mother. One would call her a helicopter mom, I guess. She didn't work outside the home. At that point, she was devoted to me and my father and the house and making it beautiful and cooking.

2:57.0

Decorating, and eventually she was an amateur painter. She always took lessons. She was always going to adult education.

3:06.0

She was the kind of woman who had a maja group and a bridge group. And she and my dad were sort of the years of the Jewish community.

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