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These are not money making gambits. These are not like you're not going to get it scored in a giant event.

So the key criteria becomes who can do a good job with this and make this a thing that's worth. It's a hobby almost.

I don't like that word, but I said almost.

Welcome back to working. I'm your host, Karen Hahn.

And I'm your other host, June Thomas.

Hi, June. How are you?

I am swell. Thank you. The movers took most of our stuff away a couple of days ago.

Oh, wow.

So I'm recording from an empty echoey apartment. In other words, thoughts and prayers to our producer Cameron.

I do want to say, again, this is an audio medium and not a visual medium, but as we are on the Zoom call,

I'm looking at June in the box of the Zoom window, but then also inside another box in an attempt to contain the echo, which is quite funny.

But anyway, so who did you talk to this week? Whose voices were we hearing?

So I spoke with Rob Walker. That was his voice that we heard at the top of the show. And Joshua Glenn.

Rob is a journalist. He actually worked for Slate many years ago.

And Josh earns his living as a consulting semi-attition.

But I wanted to talk to them because they often collaborate on what I hope they wouldn't be insulted to hear me call RT projects.

In many of them, they approach a bunch of writers and ask them to compose a short essay, usually as little as 500 words, about a particular type of object.

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