It usually always feels like us against them.

It's never us against each other, you know?

And I think the thing that we're always fighting for is preservation of the initial concept.

Because if anyone's ever done a project in Hollywood, you know, you start out with a drama

and you end up with a romantic comedy.

Welcome back to Working.

I'm your host, Ramon Alam.

And I'm your other host, Isaac Butler.

Okay, Isaac, as ever, we heard a stranger's voice in our cold open, which was edited this

week by Morgan Flannery, which is relevant because of who your guest was.

This indeed, in our guest this week, is the great Joy McMillan.

She is a film editor, best known for her longstanding collaboration with the director, Barry Jenkins.

And she most recently was part of the editing team on his television show Underground.

And she has the much hyped film, Zola, coming out soon.

Isaac, one thing that I love about working on this show with you is that you, week by

week, reveal the depths of your nerdiness.

And the rare sort who can actually have an informed conversation about film editing,

which is not something you do for a living.

It's not even really that closely related to what you do.

Well, that's very sweet of you to say, Ramon.

So thank you.

I feel like this is like one of the advantages of being a dilatant or a magpie or whatever

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