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I don't believe in objectivity as something that happens in journalism. I think that we always have some kind of subjectivity.

And so I wanted to always let readers know who I'm referencing and if I have a relationship to them. And I wanted to reject the idea that that in any way denigrates the quality of the work.

Welcome back to working. I'm your host, June Thomas. And I'm your other host, Isaac Butler.

Isaac, it's always awesome to talk to you. But I think I recognize the dulcet tones we heard at the top of the show. Who do they belong to?

Yes, we heard the dulcet tones of journalist, professor, theorist and all-around-mench Stephen Thrasher.

Yes, I thought it was him. And I should note here that Stephen is someone I've known and liked very much for several years.

We actually met in 2014 at the White House. Oh, can you hear that place being dropped?

Yeah, amazing.

Yeah, although I have to admit, it was a building tour that happened during a convening of queer journalists.

We weren't there to meet officials or interview anyone.

You know, I went to the White House once in high school to be part of a group of carol singers.

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