I don't believe in objectivity as something that happens in journalism. I think that we always have some kind of subjectivity. And so I wanted to always let readers know who I'm referencing and if I have a relationship to them.

And I wanted to reject the idea that that in any way denigrates the quality of the work.

Welcome back to working. I'm your host, June Thomas.

And I'm your other host, Isaac, it's always awesome to talk to you.

But I think I recognize the dulcet tones we heard at the top of the show.

Who do they belong to?

Yes, we heard the dulcet tones of journalist, professor, theorist, and all-around

Mench, Stephen Thrasher.

Ah, yes, I thought it was him.

And I should note here that Stephen is someone I've known

and liked very much for several years. We actually met in 2014 at the White House. Oh,

oh, can you hear that place being dropped? I don't know. Yeah, I'm amazing. Yeah, although I have

to admit, it was a building tour that happened during a convening of queer

journalists. We weren't there to meet officials or interview anyone. So, you know, I went to the

White House once in high school to be part of a group of carol singers. They had all these high school

choruses singing carols in different rooms of the White House because they do,

you know, Christmas tours and stuff like that. Yeah, but was Stephen Thrasher there with you?

I don't think so. He was not. He was not. So you have the better story. You have the better story.

Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. Stephen also one of the all-time great uses of Twitter,

all value, no bullshit, just a superstar on Twitter.

But why did you want to speak with him for working?

Well, Stephen is the author of The Viral Underclass, The Human Tull, When Inequality and Disease Collide.

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