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Welcome back to Working Over Time, the Advice Scrappy Do to Working Scooby. I'm Isaac Butler.

And I'm June Thomas. What are we talking about today, Isaac?

I'm not going to lie. Today's topic may be a little weird.

Weird topics in my favorite topics.

Okay, great. Well, you may remember a few weeks ago and working over time because they

know you religiously listened to the show, even the ones you are not on. Karen Han and

I were talking about audience. Who's the intended audience for your work? How much should

you think about that? And one thing we talked about briefly was the audience of the future.

What would people years from now, or maybe even after we're dead, think of our work?

And that got me wondering, actually, what will they think about it? And should we worry

about that? And are we writing for our present time or for posterity? So how does the future

figure in to the creative process?

For me, at least as something that is likely to create a writer's block. I mean, it's bad

enough to just have to meet deadlines without adding anxiety about the needs and tastes of readers

decades down the line. Are you crazy? That is true. But the reason I thought, I want to talk

about this with June is, I know you're a big fan of Oliver Berkman's 4,000 weeks. He was a

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