Hello and welcome to another episode of Working Overtime, the bi-weekly advice focused Chutney to workings Nahn.

I'm your host June Thomas.

And I am your other host Isaac Butler.

That intro made me very hungry June,

but before I go to order some Indian food, what are we talking about today?

Well, Isaac, I want to talk about ways that creative people can and maybe even should, if at all

possible, get help with their artistic projects.

This topic popped into my head because a couple of months ago I had to write the

acknowledgments for my book.

It was both one of the most fun parts of the writing process. I mean it's all

about gratitude and affirming supportive, positive relationships, but also the most difficult.

I mean I can't imagine that I'm the only writer who is

absolutely terrified that she might have left someone important off the list.

I really wanted to thank the people who had made the boot what it is though

and I was struck by how many different people in lots of different settings had

helped me. So I want to talk about that help, but I also really

want to encourage listeners to seek assistance if they can. I think that artists, especially solo creators, like writers, tend to pride themselves on being self-sufficient

and that is great, but everyone needs a little help sometimes and getting it can make a project better.

So just to kick us off, did you have a similar realization when you were writing the

acknowledgments for your first solo book, The Method? I wasn't exactly an epithet. the collaboration the amount that you depend on people is just drilled into your head from a very young age.

You know, I remember a middle school drama teacher being like, let's imagine if you didn't have all the tech people and the designers,

you'd be naked standing in the dark on an empty stage and the

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