What's up, everyone? Welcome to the show. This is Darren O'Lean. This is the

Darren O'Lean Joe. What's up? What's going on? How you doing? How's your outlook

in your life? We always can change the way we react to everything. We always

can utilize and use what has been challenging as fuel to pump us up in the

right way to change our trajectory, to help us create and cultivate the life we

want. Challenges are not challenges. How about that? What if challenges are only

for a second until we reorient ourselves to understanding what they're

actually about and the cultivation of who we are through all of our challenges?

My next guest, Sal de Stefano. I tell you what, I was starting this conversation

going, I know him and I are going to have a lot to talk about and we have similar

upbrings in terms of like, I just feeling weird as a kid and then discovering

the dumbbells and the working out. Well, Sal is an incredible trajectory through

learning, through the gym process, through education, through nutrition, through

supplements, through continued to go through many challenges and autoimmune

disorders and became a renowned personal trainer and realized something really,

really, really important and that is that slippery slope of abuse of our bodies in

the pursuit of trying to be healthy or fit or look better. I was kind of not

expecting the depth that we went into. We share similar outlooks, Sal is part

of the Mind Pump radio podcast. I was recently on theirs. I loved the enlightened

conversation where you think, okay, Mind Pump, I definitely been a gym rat all of my

life and I'm not fun, but these guys, their perspectives came very similar and

arrived at very similar places than me and our view of kind of the body and

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