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How many times have you heard someone say my spouse needs to change this or

change that it could be so easy to notice what your mate needs to work on. But

many times real progress is made in the relationship when you start working

on yourself. I'm John Fuller. I'm joined by Dr. Greg Smolley. He and his wife

Aaron lead our marriage team and let's go ahead and return to a conversation

Jim Daley and I had with Pam and Bill Ferrell. This is from a broadcast titled

thriving in the early years of marriage. And you can download the entire

conversation for free from our website. To share with a friend will have a link

for it in the show notes. Let's listen as Bill and Pam share how they

learned to work on themselves instead of complaining about each other.

Bill and Pam welcome back to focus on the family. It's such a joy to be

here. You know, focus helped build our marriage because we came from such

crazy backgrounds. We would tune in every day. And now we're here being able

to help other couples. It's wonderful to be able to boom, ring that back.

Yeah, I came to you how many times in the first five years of our marriage,

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