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We're making the case for live performance first and foremost. So what's the experience? What can you expect here? What is going to be my feeling of an experience going into Lincoln Center and leaving Lincoln Center? That is the same if you came to a classical music concert and if you came to a popular music concert.

Welcome back to Working. I'm your host, Karen Hahn. And I'm your other host, Isaac Butler. Hi, Isaac, how are you? You know, I'm doing okay, but I'm going to admit it's been a really, really busy few weeks. My kids started school the same week. I started teaching and I was teaching in a new institution. So there was like all this onboarding do and I've had grant apps do and I am actually recording this episode in a very dark hotel room because I'm going to

traveling right now for work. So like it's all really good stuff, but I'm ready for things to slow down a bit so I can concentrate on actually creating things. Yeah, for sure. Well, to slow down for at least the next hour. Who did you talk to for this week's episode?

I spoke with the wonderful and talented Shanta Fake who recently moved from running Joe's pub at the public theater to being the chief artistic officer of Lincoln Center.

Oh, that's very cool. I'm so excited to listen to the conversation because that's such a big job, especially in terms of New York's cultural scene. Yeah, but before we get to that, what can we look forward to in the slight plus segment this week?

So during our conversation, Shanta and I discovered that we both have the same like one of our favorite operas is the same and that's Philip Glasses, Oknotten.

And the Metropolitan Opera, which is one of the tenant organizations in Lincoln Center, did this really extraordinary production of Oknotten that ran a little bit before the pandemic and then they streamed it during the pandemic and then it reopened after the pandemic. They brought it back.

And it's just an opera that means an enormous amount to me and so we got to geek out about Philip Glass and about how sometimes the kind of weirdest most experimental stuff is actually the most accessible.

That sounds so fascinating and I cannot wait to hear you both get into Philip Glass.

So listeners, if you are not a sleep plus member, but want to listen to this Glass conversation, why not join Slate Plus?

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to learn more about becoming a Slate Plus member, go to slate.com slash working plus.

Alright, let's hear Isaac's conversation with Shanta Thicc.

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