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Working it Out: Ep. 373

Tablet Studios

Tablet Magazine

Religion & Spirituality, Judaism, Society & Culture

4.61.5K Ratings

🗓️ 27 July 2023

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

This week on Unorthodox, we’re talking about Tisha B’Av and what we can learn from this ancient day of mourning. Then, we’re bringing you an extended conversation with our Gentile of the Week Bill Courtney about the things we all can do to give up resentment and division and commit ourselves to empathy and change. He’s the football coach depicted in the Academy Award-winning documentary, Undefeated, and now hosts the new podcast, An Army of Normal Folks. We love to hear from you! Send us emails at [email protected], or leave a voicemail at our listener line: (914) 570-4869. Check out our Unorthodox tees, mugs, and hoodies at tabletstudios.com. Find out about our upcoming events at tabletmag.com/unorthodoxlive. To book us for a live show or event, email Tanya Singer at [email protected]. Subscribe to our weekly newsletter to get new episodes, photos, and more. Join our Facebook group, and follow Unorthodox on Twitter and Instagram. Unorthodox is produced by Tablet Studios. Check out all of our podcasts at tabletmag.com/podcasts.

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0:00.0

Hello, and welcome to Unorthodox, the universe's leading Jewish podcast.

0:08.3

It is I, Joshua Molina, and today I have the podcast all to myself.

0:13.6

Why you ask?

0:15.2

Not because we actors are on strike here in Los Angeles, or because Stephanie and Liel

0:19.0

just needed a week off on the beach.

0:21.4

But because today, at least if you're listening on the day this episode drops, is Tisha

0:25.7

Bob, and we want to bring you a very special conversation we had recently that fits

0:30.4

today's themes perfectly.

0:32.5

But before we introduce our guest, podcast host and the star of the Academy Award-winning

0:37.4

documentary undefeated, I want to talk a little bit about this day.

0:42.3

It's not an overstatement to say that Tisha Bob is the saddest day in Jewish history.

0:48.2

It was the day the spies sent by Moses to tour the promised land, returned with the

0:52.5

less than stellar report, doing the Israelites to 40 years in the desert.

0:57.2

It was the day on which both the first and the second temples were destroyed, one by the

1:01.5

Babylonians in 586 BCE and the other by the Romans in 70 AD.

1:07.2

It was the day the Jews of England were expelled in 1290, and the day in 1941 the Nazis

1:13.6

approved the final solution.

1:16.8

On this day, Jews all around the world fast and mourn and read lamentations, but we

1:22.4

hear on Orthodox, we thought we would focus on what we think may just be particularly

1:28.1

nowadays the most important Tisha Bob take away.

1:32.5

And it begins with the story.

1:34.5

One of the most famous stories told in the Talmud.

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