There's always a power dynamic in an interview, but I try to do more groundwork to invite them in for it to be a conversation. So it's not only sort of extracting, like me doing all that work and the person just feeling totally spent at the end of an interview.

Welcome back to Working. I'm your host, June Thomas.

And I'm your other host, Ronald Young Jr.

Ronald, it is so nice to be chatting with you again.

But tell me, whose voice, familiar voice, I should say, did we hear at the top of the show that was

Anna Sale she is the host of death sex and money which has recently relaunched as a part of the

slate family of podcasts.

So it's like our sister podcast or cousin or nibbling.

I imagine that most people who are listening to this show will be familiar with the wonder that is death, sex, and money,

but for those who have not yet heard it, Ronald, how would you describe the podcast?

Death sex and money describes itself as a podcast about things we avoid talking about and need to talk about more often hence the name of those taboo subjects that aren't exactly small talk fodder at a party.

Indeed, all right. I am very excited to hear this interview, but say, do you have anything

extra just for Slate Plus members?

So in our Slate Plus segment,

we tackle a little bit of the Money section

of Death Sex and Money.

And I ask Anna about her relationship with money

and what that looks like in her personal life.

That leads us to touch a little bit

about how she felt about the

cancellation of the show before it was revived here at Slate and how that

impacted her view of her own financial stability. It's really interesting to hear

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