heard about Magpie, the vegan pie truck that needed a bit of help from GoDaddy.

One day the owners alike, this business hasn't reached this potential

and the other one goes, we need a bigger piece of the pie and then it hits her.

We need GoDaddy. Look, we can get a domain name and create an online store

so we can sell to more customers.

Now they've gone from serving a couple of pies to a vlogging nationwide

and now everyone's like, vegan pies are the new thing around here.

Wait, no me! Take the next step on your business journey with GoDaddy.

Writing middle grade, writing for kids who are in third, fourth, fifth, sixth grade,

that's just like the sweet spot for school visits.

You do occasionally talk to somebody who writes young adults who's moved in the middle grade

so they've been going to high schools and talking to high school students and then they come talk to

kids in fourth and fifth grade and they're like, oh my god, I'm never going to go talk to

teenagers again in my life. This is so much better.

Welcome back to Working. I'm your host, June Thomas.

And I'm your other host, Romano Lomb.

Romano. The voice we just heard belongs to Stuart Gibbs, who is a writer of middle grade books,

a term I need you to educate me on very soon. But before we get to that,

I noticed from your excellent Twitter feed that you seem to be on a bit of a spring cleaning

jag right now, does that fever extend to your creative life?

I think it's mostly in so far as it's a form of denial or distraction from that creative life.

I do have a couple of pretty big projects that I meant to be working on.

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