To really get the benefits of drawing, it's not about doing a perfect painting of a snowy barn. It's about using a pen and a piece of paper to really look closely and connect and the end result is the outcome of that.

It's all about the process, not about the product.

Welcome back to Working. I'm your host, June Thomas.

And I'm your other host, Ronald Young Jr.

Ronald, it is wonderful to spend some time with you.

Tell me whose voice did we hear at the top of the show?

Well, that was Wendy McNaughton.

And why did you want to speak with Wendy right now?

I love Wendy so much.

She is an accomplished artist and a New York Times best-selling illustrator and she has such a unique

perspective on how she does art and I love her story about how she got into illustration.

So how might I know when these work? You probably know it best from the cookbook Salt Fat Acid Heat. She did the illustrations for it. It was a very popular cookbook from

Sami Nos Rot that came out a few years ago.

Of course. All right. Well, I am super excited to hear this interview,

but something tells me that you have an extra segment exclusively for Slate Plus

members. What will they hear today?

I do have an extra segment and in that segment Wendy talks a bit about her early childhood curiosity and I would help hone her ability

to engage with folks and how that eventually became a part of her toolkit when she started

randomly drawing strangers during her daily commute to work on the BART in the Bay Area.

She specifically talks about the time she got into a draw-off with one of the subjects.

Wow, okay, if you are a member of Sleep Plus, you'll hear that at the end of the episode.

And if you aren't, let me just tell you, it is super easy to join.

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