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Hello and welcome to another episode of Working Over Time.

Working is bi-weekly advice-focused side hustle. I'm your host, Karen Han.

And I'm your other host, June Thomas. Hi, June. How are you?

I am swell. Thank you. I have finally kind of figured out the TV schedule in Britain.

Oh, that's important. Yeah. I'm getting my TV vibes, listening to some good British podcast and getting super British with my culture. What about you? How you doing?

Pretty good. I sort of having the same TV adventure, which is actually my follow-up question for you, which is, do you mean that in your figuring out when stuff is airing in Britain or when you can then get it on streaming?

A little bit of both, actually. I confess that I really haven't been watching things live, even though I could. I paid for my TV license so close.

Okay, okay. Because I'm sometimes working in the evening, I tend to just watch things on catch-up. There's a robust catch-up culture here.

So what have you been watching? Well, we've been watching Andor in this household, the new Star Wars spin-off, as well as we just pinched all of the first season of Abba Elementary.

So we've been watching the second season as a air, which has been an interesting experience to be like, oh, it airs on Wednesday nights, but we can only watch it on Thursday on streaming.

Alright, so what are we talking about today?

Well, we recently got an email from one of our listeners, Alyssa. I'm so sorry if I'm mispronouncing your name, asking how to move past goal-focused work, and I thought that was a pretty rich question for discussion.

Here is what she wrote to us.

I'm a middle-aged college professor, full professor at a community college. There are no more promotions to be had.

I'm also deeply burnt out, so maybe this is just a burnout question, but I feel like I have spent my entire adult life being goal-slash-reward-focused.

I need to get the PhD. I need to get a tenure-track job. I need to get tenure. I need to get promoted. I need to get promoted again.

I have also felt like my work-focused intellectual life has been very lonely for the last 15 years or so.

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