Welcome back to Working Over Time, the advice focused thing to Working's Mr Fantastic.

I'm Isaac Butler.

And I'm June Thomas, once a game puzzled by Isaac's references to pop culture.

Isaac, what are we talking about today?

Wait, wait, before we get into the beat of this episode, you're puzzled by a reference to The Fantastic Four,

a comic strip that's been around since the 1960s, and has spawned several unwatchable movies.

Yes, including one with the guy from the shield.

Okay, so anyway, today I wanted to talk about,

maybe it's one of a series of episodes we've done about taking care of ourselves.

Now, we've done some similarly themed episodes about taking breaks,

about mental health, but I realized we haven't really talked about physically taking care of ourselves unless a guest brings it up in their interview.

So I thought maybe we should talk about whether or even why or maybe even if that's important to the creative life and how to do it.

Now I want to say right off the back because I'm sure there's some listeners out there, there's like an alarm bell

ringing in the back of their mind and they're thinking this is going to be a bunch of diet culture

bullshit and I am very opposed to diet culture and if I remember correctly from past episodes that's something

that drives you up the

proverbial wall around the proverbial bend. Am I correct June? You are correct

Isaac. Okay great, just want to make sure. So this is our guarantee to you, the working overtime guarantee. No Diaculture horse crap. But it is still important to take care of the body. And I don't know about you, June, but I find it very easy to forget when I am deep in the throes of a creative project and for me anyway

You know I had that

I injured my back very badly while writing the method not because you know I was so into the

method not because you know I was so into I don't know doing squats with a tree on my shoulders or something while

typing but actually was because I was so sedentary for the final year of writing the book and the chair I was sitting in was a crappy folding chair a series of crappy folding chairs in fact.

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