There's no quote wrong way to do morning pages, so as you're writing them, your perfectionist

is going to rear its head and say, June, you're being boring.

Welcome back to Working. I'm your host, Karen Hahn.

And I'm your other host, June Thomas.

Hi, June. So who's forced to be just here at the beginning of the episode?

So that was Julia Cameron, the author of the artist's way, a book

that more than 25 years ago introduced the concept of morning pages.

And I wanted to speak with her now because she has a new book that is called Seeking Wisdom,

a spiritual path to creative connection.

Wow. So I feel like we're all familiar with the idea of morning pages,

but I definitely didn't know that Julia Cameron was a person responsible for them

until this interview, actually. So I'm curious when you first discovered her.

I think that like a lot of bookish people whenever I go into someone's house

or even see bits of their homes on Zoom calls, my eyes immediately lock onto their bookshelves.

And at a certain point, I realized that the artist's way was probably the book

that most of my friends and acquaintances had in common.

Wow. And as you say, like morning pages are everywhere

and I'm always struck by how many different kinds of people use them,

you know, sincere people, cynical people, aspiring writers, very successful writers,

religious people, hardline atheists, that's always really fascinated me.

How broad her appeal is.

And with that in mind, she seems like a pretty perfect guest for the show.

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