I mean, when in doubt, I think, you know, for our listeners at home, add a cute dog

or a scary monkey, you know, you don't know what to do.

It worked for Nope.

Yeah.

It's all insane.

Welcome back to working.

I'm your host, Nate Shenan, and I'm your other host, Isaac Butler.

Isaac, whose voice was that at the top of the show?

I'm glad you asked Nate.

That was Daniel Horn's B. He's a novelist, a his second novel sucker, which we'll be

talking a lot about in the interview, just came out and his first novel, Via Negativa,

which is also quite wonderful, is available in stores right now, so he's a very talented

novelist.

And why did you want to talk to Dan?

Well, I wanted to talk to him for a few reasons.

First of all, Dan's an old friend.

He's a big fan of the show.

You know, he really understands working as a podcast.

And so I thought it would be really interesting to talk to him about, you know, the craft

of writing and everything.

And also, I just really loved this new book.

It's really different from his first one, which we talked about a little bit in this

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