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When you go to write, always remind yourself nobody has to read it and lets you show it to them.

And if you don't ever speak it worthy of sharing with others, are you going to tell me you wasted your time by writing? That's never a waste of time.

Welcome back to Working. I'm your host, June Thomas.

And I'm your other host, Karen Han. Karen, it is great to see you again, but I have to ask.

The voice we heard at the top of the show, it sounded really familiar. Who does it belong to?

I am delighted to report that that voice belongs to Tim Blake Nelson. He is an actor who has appeared in movies like The Ballad of Buster Scruggs.

Obrother were Arthur, Minority Report, and shows like HBO's Watchmen and an upcoming episode of Pokerface.

He has also written and directed movies, including The Grey Zone and Leaves of Grass.

And he's a playwright as well, most recently of Socrates, which starred Michael Stulberg in its run at the public theater.

Oh, good grief. Talk about Renaissance man. And why did you want to talk to him now?

He just published his first novel, City of Blows, which takes place in Hollywood and sort of focuses on the production of a movie.

Some people want to get it made and some people really don't. And it's the intertwining lives of three characters, and eventually four, as they all kind of fight around this production.

So you mentioned he's written plays before, but writing a novel is pretty different, right?

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