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The Bunker

Work isn’t working – so how do we fix it?

The Bunker

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News, Politics, Society & Culture, Government

4.6984 Ratings

🗓️ 14 March 2025

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Summary

When earning a little extra money leaves you worse off, women end up spending all their additional earnings on childcare, and the benefits system actively encourages low wages, it’s no wonder many people make a rational decision not to work. But our nine million “economically inactive” people are a drag on growth as well as an affront to human potential. As Keir Starmer goes to battle with his own party over cutting benefits in a bid to get people back into work, TUC general secretary Paul Nowak joins us to ask: can we make working work for everyone?  • We are sponsored by Indeed. Go to Indeed.com/bunker to get your £100 sponsored credit.   • Support us on Patreon for early episodes and more Written and presented by Andrew Harrison. Audio production by Robin Leeburn. Music by Kenny Dickinson. Managing Editor Jacob Jarvis. Group Editor Andrew Harrison. THE BUNKER is a Podmasters Production www.podmasters.co.uk Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to The Bunker, your daily need to know on news and politics. Today, work. Is it worth it?

0:16.2

And if not, why not? This week, Labour is locked in an internal battle over cutting the welfare bill,

0:22.1

specifically freezing disability benefits. As we record, this, Kirstarmer is facing possibly the biggest

0:26.9

rebellion of his premiership so far. Earlier this week, he told Labour MPs, we found ourselves

0:32.6

in a worst of all world situation with the wrong incentives, discouraging people from working, and the

0:38.3

taxpayer funding a spiralling bill. But the answer often comes back. How can you blame people

0:43.2

for making those choices when so often work just doesn't work for them? In the dying days of the

0:48.8

last government, a report from the Institute for Fiscal Studies described how even under the

0:53.1

Conservatives, taking a full-time

0:54.6

job, it often become an illogical choice. As Bloomberg put it, once taxes are added to lost

1:00.2

benefits, people returning to work can face effective tax rates of 69%. Childcare and travel costs

1:06.5

whittled down what remains, and in some cases people can end up worse off than when they

1:10.3

were unemployed.

1:11.6

The result is that the UK is the only major economy where the employment rates has dropped over the last five years,

1:16.5

with more than 9 million people economically inactive.

1:19.7

Since coming to power labourers announced a £240 million get Britain working plan,

1:23.9

but will the stick of getting people off sickness benefits,

1:27.2

also reviewing employer responsibility to take on people off sickness benefits, also reviewing employer

1:28.2

responsibility to take on people with health issues, work? Is Labor's package of new

1:33.3

employment rights enough of a carrot? Bluntly, how do we make work attractive again?

1:38.9

Joining us today is someone who knows why all this matters. Paul Novak is Secretary General

1:43.0

of the TUC. He first joined a union when he worked part-time at ASDA, age 17. He's worked in a call centre and been a hotel night porter. Before working at a trade union, he'd always been employed on temporary and agency contracts. Hello, Paul. Welcome to the bunker. How you doing? Hi, Andrew. Great. Thanks. yeah. Good to be here. Let's talk about Labor's ideas in a minute. But first, how has taken on full-time or even part-time work been allowed to become so unattractive

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