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This is Deep State Radio, coming to you direct from our super secret studio in the third sub-basement of the Ministry of Snark in Washington, D.C., and from other undisclosed locations across America and around the world.

Hello and welcome to DSR's Words Matter. I'm David Rothkof.

I'm joined this week as every week by Norm Ornstein.

Although look at Norm Ornstein right now.

He is wearing a jacket and tie.

He looks super elegant.

Where were you, Norm?

So my wife, Judy Harris, and I were honored to be one of nine, actually, Washingtonians of the

year by Washingtonian magazine, not for any of the stuff that we generally discuss, but for the

summer debate camp for public school kids that we do as part of the foundation we established in memory of our son, Matthew.

So it was a nice honor and an opportunity to wear a tie, which I now do maybe three times a year.

Well, it's a lovely tie and it's a well-des honor, and it shows a lot of good judgment on their part.

And I just want to know, did you thrift the tie or did you buy that one at full price?

I have, I don't buy anything at full price.

It's baked into who I am.

This one, I actually got at a thrift store of all things, but it's a very high-end tie.

I have a whole lot of ties accumulated over a whole lot of time where I needed to wear one every day.

And now they just kind of sit there mostly.

I look at them.

And some of them, no doubt, will end up back in a thrift shop.

Well, that's the circle of life, you know.

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